By Marcelo C. Ortigoza
Since our dream of a mega-fight between Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather , Jr. is as elusive as the conclusion of a peace treaty between the Israelis and the
Palestinians, then we should satisfy ourselves to use as yardstick the impending rumble between Manny and Sugar Shane Mosley to conclude who is the most superior between them .
Mosley is the less shot
Compared to the last three pugs Manny has fought, Shane is the less shot.
Miguel Cotto was resurrected from his death bed by Bob Arum when he fought Manny. The slow moving and Top Rank’s over-hyped Antonio Margarito – who “hanged” Cotto to the guillotine – was a damaged “goods” (of Mosley’s TKO) when he fought Manny.
Joshua Clottey was a joke after he only satisfied himself in re-arranging the face of Manny from Tom Cruise to Walter Matthau, and then sandbagged himself the whole night
that nearly killed some spectators in Texas with boredom.
Pacquiao has tasted TKO
Cotto, Margarito, and Pacquaio have already experienced what was liked to be in the dream-land at the dais. Mosley has not.
The only experience he got near a knock-out is a knockdown from the bigger and taller Vernon Forrest.
This loss to Forrest (twice) is the argument that his two losses to Winky Wright, and his draw to Sergio Mora is about the size (man that was a joke, er, duke in the Light
Middleweight from a natural Welterweight) and style.
Mosley’s go-go style rumble was no match to a turtle shelled but sneaking hitter Wrights. Mosley offensive style was no match to a long reached Forrest and the run-a-away
defensive style of Mora.
The loss of the Pomona, California native to puncher Cotto was disputable.
His then trainer and father Jack said that Shane has been undermined by a breathing problem because of a damaged tissue that made his clashes with Cotto and Fernando Vargas (twice) sluggish.
But after he undergone surgery for that nuisance tissue that blocked 60% of oxygen he breathed, his performances did not only improve. He knocked out big time two
Abram’s Tank poster boys Ricardo Mayorga and Margarito.
Motor Mouth Mayweather did not even knock down Mosley Even Money May schooled Shane in their last fight, he did not knock him down.But if Manny send him to the canvass, that would be a big blow to Floyd. That would be a mother of all rebuttals Pacnuts could argue with Floyd freaks.
As if Pacquaio has knocked –out too the swashbuckling motor mouth of Nevada native.
Then he could say adieu with Floyd, and instead concentrate for his remiss work in congress (Remember, he kept pre-occupying himself in boxing when he was elected to fulfill a full-time job crafting laws for the betterment of his people and not for himself only) if he intends to win a senatorial and a presidential posts that he wants to aspire in the future.
As in September, I once again ran out of gas in the 10th & 11th championship rounds of October & November with this column, but I recovered to complete them and will unleash a few more flurries to close out the 12th and final round.
In the first week of October, Hassan N’Dam won a UD over Curtis Stevens in an eliminator for the right to challenge Jermaine Taylor who defeated aging Sam Soliman to regain the IBF Middleweight title. How Taylor even earned this title shot is another story altogether, but it is all irrelevant as he is now the champion. However he will not have too much time to savor his victory as he has assault and battery charges pending against him and an upcoming court fight that may turn out to be the toughest fight of his life, just when things started to look up for him in boxing, we wish him luck.
Having said that, I think your logic suffers a little on a few counts. First of all… IMO Pac has nothing, nyet, nada, to prove to Pretty Boy. On the contrary… the ball is firmly in Pretty Boy’s court, except that he won’t be doing any dribbling any time soon, except in the slammer. Maybe there he’ll find a captive audience who will believe his claims to be the world’s p4p, although he’s done nothing to deserve it in the last few years. He beat a grossly undersized JMM (not everyone can jump several weight classes like Pac has done), and then beat an unexplicably shy and suddenly old-looking Shane Mosley. (Why he didn’t capitalize on that huge right that rocked Pretty Boy early on, I’ll never know).
Meanwhile, Pac has defied all odds by beating bigger and stronger men. Say what you will about Pac’s opponents. But BEFORE the fights, you’d be hard pressed to find fans with conviction who would’ve predicted the ease with which Pac dispatched those opponents. It’s not Pac’s fault that Clottey shamefully decided to rob boxing fans of their money by going into a shell and not fighting that night. And it’s not Pac’s fault that Cotto came in with a TOTALLY wrong gameplan against him, going toe-to-toe and throwing 1 punch for every 5 of Pac’s. It’s easy to pick fights apart after they’re done. It’s called “Monday morning quarterbacking”.
But back to your main point. Pac needs to do NOTHING to prove he’s better than Mayweather. He already has. It’s Pretty Boy who needs to do everything in his power to get that fight and shut Pac’s fans up. But that’s gonna be a bit difficult to do from his jail cell. So all we’re left with are theories and conjectures.
I don’t think stopping Mosley will prove he is better than Mayweather. Mayweather likes to outbox his opponents and isn’t shy about going to the cards. I’ve little doubt that Manny is a harder puncher than Floyd and can also land a lot more than Floyd because of his output, but I don’t think stopping Mosley proves anything regarding being better than Floyd.
They will need to face one another to decide that. Pac has been a freak since moving above LW. I don’t understand how he has managed to carry that speed, power and output and along the way barely flinches when hit by much bigger men. I think it is all too much for Mayweather and Mayweather will get outworked, but that’s just an assumption on my part.
Today 03:26 AMarmyash
Re: Pacquiao Should KO Mosley to Prove he is better than Mayweather
Interesting post but cannot compare fighters on performances against common opponents and decide who is better.
Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF a while and when fighting JMM pac has probably been given his 2 toughest fights in years while mayweather handled him with ease (far too big)
this does not mean that 1 is better than the other it means that they handle different fighters in different ways as they both have their individual styles that give them advantages and disadvantages.
Yes pac may handle Mosley better than mayweather but i find it hard to see mayweather taking as many shots against margarito as manny did.
Like i said when it comes to common opponents you cannot judge who is the better fighter. All it does for me is add to the intrigue and interest in a fight eventually being made and seeing who is the better fighter that way.
Interesting post but cannot compare fighters on performances against common opponents and decide who is better.
Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF a while and when fighting JMM pac has probably been given his 2 toughest fights in years while mayweather handled him with ease (far too big)
this does not mean that 1 is better than the other it means that they handle different fighters in different ways as they both have their individual styles that give them advantages and disadvantages.
Yes pac may handle Mosley better than mayweather but i find it hard to see mayweather taking as many shots against margarito as manny did.
Like i said when it comes to common opponents you cannot judge who is the better fighter. All it does for me is add to the intrigue and interest in a fight eventually being made and seeing who is the better fighter that way.
@Armyash
You said :”Pac demolished hatton in quick time but it took PBF”.
Floyd justified it. He said Manny Used an 8- ounce glove, while Motor Mouth Money May used 10- ounced glove. The dude has sound reasoning here. 10 ounce was much thicker than Manny’s 8 Ounce thus Floyds took time to KO Hatton
To be honest I dont think Pac can ‘prove’ he’s better than Mayweather and vice versa, unless they fight each other. Otherwise it’s all subjective. One can probably end up saying that he’s ‘greater’ due to records and acheivements and what not, but that doesn’t neccessarily make a better, more skilled boxer.
As for knocking out Mosley, he’s knocked out or TKO’d other fighters after Floyd fought them… they have different styles, end of.
He will stop Mosley. Not because he’s better than Mayweather though. He’ll simply have a higher output than Mayweather did. If Mosley gasses after 3 rounds again, i don’t even see him making the championship rounds.
As long as Mayweather would not fight Pacquiao, the Mayweather-Pacquaio who-is- the- best- of- em- all would just be become subjective. And we can’t do anythin’ if people try to compare how each of em (Shane and Manny) fares to Mayweather.
It’s like a poser: WHAT WOULD HAPPENED IF MANNY GOT A SPLIT DECISION WITH SHANE? OR SHANE KO’D HIM?
We can not avoid people dissing Manny as an inferior boxer than Shane despite both of them did not duke with each other. That’s their opinion. That’s subjective.
What will it prove, if Mosley hit Pacman with a round 2 shot and Pacman don’t recover? Will people say then that Mayweather is better then Pacman? I think not!
What if Mayweather beat Cotto into retirement? He’s already a scared fighter. Will that make Mayweather better then Pacman? Nope.
What if Mayweather UD Clottey? Again, naw!
Pacman is going to keep running the table if Mayweather don’t fight him for whatever reason. The mastermind in Arum is setting up his stable to make all the money in house. If Pacman defeat Mosley(IF), the set-up for a rematch between the winner of Cotto vs Margarito 2(Cotto), for the last quarter of the year is so obvious.
No Berto
No Martinez
No Bradley
No Alexander
No JMM
I would like to even see Pacman fight a young but green Ortiz
or Judah after he win the IBF title in March or April.
Bottom line, is Pacman better then Floyd, we will never know unless. . .
Is Pacman P4P #1? Hell yeah. And I’m a big Floyd fan and Pacman hater!!!
If Mosley knocks Manny out in two rounds of course everyone will say Floyd is better
is as elusive as the dreamed peace treaty between the milf and the government. But when the ko is delivered, mayweather sr. will say, I told you soo, Manny’s on ped. The very reason why that mother f…..er knock Mosely out is that floydie already softened up mosley’s chin.
How has Manny proved he was better than Mayweather? He hasn’t at all. That’s why almost everyone who boxes believes Floyd would beat him. Floyd is way more well rounded, and a adapts better during a fight. Don’t get it twisted, Marquez looked poor, and Mosley old because Mayweather made them look that way. He picked Marquez apart, and feinted and peppered Mosley into compliance. You will see on May 7, that Mosley will put up a valiant effort against Pacquiao. I don’t think he will win, but it will be a lot more competitive than Mayweather-Mosley.
…how far away from boxing does floyd have to be before these silly arguments stop. They could lock floyd up put him in the hole and there’d still be people slipping notes under his cell door chanllenging the guy to a fight. Every move pac makes in some way has to be compared to floyd. Yet the same people making the comparisons think floyd is crap…..amazing. I wonder how much time the patriots spend hyping up and comparing themselves to the panthers. Floyd doesn’t want to fight, so move on to someone that does. Or should junior witter still be following ricky hatton around looking for a fight too. Both are just a stupid as the other. How bout pac beat the shit out of mosely cause that’s the guy in front of him and that’s his job instead of trying to beat him for whatever floyd motivated reason when we all “supposidly” hate the guy. Best case would be mosley ko’ing pac, floyd taking some tune up fight down the line him also getting ko’d and all this sillyness stops and we can get back to boxing. Not just repeatitive arguments over these two cacks. I like em both but there’s more to the sport than these two.
o DaxxKhann,
Gloves have big factor to k.o an opponent. You forgot the first Pacquiao-Morales fight. Pacquaio and Roach bellyached that Manny was obliged to use Winning Gloves than KO puncher gloves Cleto Reyes. Manny said he could not KO Morales because of that pillow glove Winning.
So what were you talkin’ that gloves do not matter?
Floyd was right, if he wore 8 ounce against Hatton, he could KO Hatton earlier. (or he could damaged his brittle hands, earlier, too) But despite of it, he was able toTKO the Englishman later.
Man, 8 ounce and 10 ounce have a lot of difference to damage an opponent.
Again, to reiterate my thesis: AS LONG AS FLOYD AND MANNY WOULD NOT DUKE OUT, WE COULD NOT AVOID PEOPLE TO OPINE THAT A SLUGGISH PERFORMANCE BY MANNY AGAINST SHANE WOULD GENERATE A HELL OF OPINIONS TO PEOPLE who would SPECULATE THAT FLOYD IS MUCH BETTER THAN MANNy.
UMMMMM no the 2 oz are not that much of a difference but OK if you say so…Are you sure you watched the Hatton fight? Maybe you should again because Floyd while he stunned Hatton Ricky was hurt more by the turnbuckle then anything….
Now I understand you have been involved in the music business and all for quite sometime and your song Africa sold quite a bit of singles but this is boxing not 70’s and 80’s pop……What really determines the factor for punchers is the type of gloves…There are reasons why power punchers like Reyes and boxers or those with bad hands prefer Grant, Everlast etc….Get hit with a 10 oz Reyes glove and get hit with a 10oz Grant glove you will know the difference same for 8oz or any weight for that matter..,.Get hit with a 8oz Grant or Everlast and a 10oz Reyes and you will know the difference and that will be the fact the Reyes huts a whole lot more
As for you and your capital letters I can see you are annoyed because I did not tell you what great points you brought up, it would not matter if Manny stopped Shane in 1 rd or if Manny goes the distance with Shane and Floyd had stopped Shane in 1 round during their fight at this point no ones opinions are really going to change the Manny supporters will stay with Manny and the Floyd Supporters will stay with Floyd…..As for Mosley it doesnt matter if Manny gets the KO or not…Shane has never been stopped in his career and he has only been down twice and even that might be wrong because I think Forrest is the only one to ever put him down (Not positive on it gotta think about it just going from what I can remember off the top of my head)…So even at his age it is not a factor if he is not stopped because Shane is not expected to be stopped by anyone….Why should Manny have to stop Shane to prove anything?………
The only way to settle PBF/Pacquiao is for them to fight common opponents at this level mean nothing….And even if Manny has a lack performance against Shane it still proves little becauser I can name quite a few laxed performances by Floyd
I stopped reading after this… sorry you think running into the turnbuckle was what hurt Hatton there? THe previous two rounds he was getting pounded on and picked apart.
the last thing to leave a fighter is his punch, don’t sleep on Mosley
“Even with this fight being made, with Manny and Shane, Manny Pacquiao and Freddie Roach demanded that Shane do random testing. Shane said he would do random testing if [Pacquiao] did random testing. All of a sudden, random testing didn’t exist anymore. What’s up with that? They demanded that this guy do it but they didn’t want to do it. That’s crazy. I read that in an article my friend put on Facebook but the issue disappeared once Shane wanted to match their demands.
Does anybody think Mosley has a chance?